Tigray’s leader, Debretsion Gebremichael, interviewed by New York Times

‘I Didn’t Expect to Make It Back Alive’: An Interview With Tigray’s Leader

The leader of the restive Ethiopian region presented the rebels’ side of a conflict that plunged the country into chaos after Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed began a military operation there in November.

Debretsion Gebremichael, the leader of Ethiopia’s Tigray region, addressing a crowd this week after his return to the regional capital, Mekelle.
Credit…Finbarr O’Reilly for The New York Times

GIJET, Ethiopia — The convoy sped down from the mountain, slipping and sliding on roads greasy from a recent shower of hailstones. As it descended toward the regional capital of Tigray, curling through rocky hills and remote hamlets, people clustered along the route in celebration.

Women stood ululating outside stone farmhouses, and fighters perched atop a ridge fired their weapons into the air as the vehicles curled around the detritus of battle: burned-out tanks, overturned trucks and a mucky field where on June 23 an Ethiopian military cargo plane, shot down by the Tigrayans, had smashed into the ground.

The leader of Tigray, Debretsion Gebremichael, was going home.

Two days earlier, his scrappy guerrilla force had retaken the regional capital, Mekelle, hours after Ethiopian troops suddenly abandoned the city. Now Mr. Debretsion, a former deputy prime minister of Ethiopia, was leaving the mountains where he had been ensconced for eight months leading a war to re-establish his rule over the region.

“I didn’t expect to make it back alive,” Mr. Debretsion said on Thursday night in an interview, his first since the fall of Mekelle. “But this isn’t personal. The most important thing is that my people are free — free from the invaders. They were living in hell, and now they can breathe again.”

The Tigrayan leader offered a rebel-side account of the conflict that has plunged Ethiopia into chaos since Nov. 4, when Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed ordered a military operation there. The civil war has led to the displacement of nearly two million people, and to widespread hunger and reports that civilians were subjected to atrocities and sexual violence.

Mr. Debretsion, who is believed to be in his late 50s, claimed to have crippled Ethiopia’s powerful army, defeating seven of its 12 divisions and killing at least 18,000 soldiers. He also detailed plans to expand the war across Tigray, in defiance of international calls for a cease-fire, until his fighters have expelled from the region every outside force, including Eritrean soldiers and ethnic Amhara militias.

“They have taken the land by force,” Mr. Debretsion said. “So we will take it back by force.”

Thousands of captured Ethiopian government soldiers were marched  on Friday into Mekelle under guard by Tigray Defense Forces fighters.

Credit…Finbarr O’Reilly for The New York Times

When we arrived for the interview, on a stormy late afternoon, to a fortresslike house in Mekelle, Mr. Debretsion was working on a laptop in a nearly dark upstairs bedroom. The government had cut the power to the city and shut down its phone network.

Barely visible in the gloom, Mr. Debretsion apologized for the circumstances. Tigray was “under siege,” he said, criticizing Mr. Abiy — a onetime political ally — as an impetuous and inexperienced leader who had overreached.

“This is a complex country, very messy,” Mr. Debretsion said. “Abiy had no experience, no maturity. But because of his ambition to be king or ruler of Ethiopia, he viewed us as obstacles in his way.”

Billene Seyoum, a spokeswoman for Mr. Abiy, did not respond to requests for comment.

On Friday, the Tigray Defense Forces mounted a spectacle that seemed intended to humiliate Ethiopia’s leader. The fighters marched at least 6,000 Ethiopian prisoners of war through downtown Mekelle past residents chanting, “Abiy is a thief!” A woman holding a large photograph of Mr. Debretsion led the procession.

The Tigrayan leader fought his first war in the 1980s as the head of a guerrilla radio station for the Tigray People’s Liberation Front, a rebel group leading the resistance against a brutal Marxist dictatorship in Ethiopia.

The rebels swept to power in 1991, with the Tigrayan leadership at the head of a governing coalition that dominated Ethiopia for nearly three decades until Mr. Abiy became prime minister in 2018.

An Eritrean tank that was destroyed in fighting outside Mekelle.
Credit…Finbarr O’Reilly for The New York Times

In power, the Tigrayan leadership stabilized Ethiopia and achieved soaring economic growth for nearly a decade. But progress came at the cost of basic civil rights. Critics were imprisoned or exiled, torture was commonplace in detention centers and the Tigray People’s Liberation Front won successive elections with a reported 100 percent of the vote.

By then, Mr. Debretsion had a reputation as a low-key technocrat. He served as communications minister and headed Ethiopia’s power utility, where he oversaw construction of a $4.5 million hydroelectric dam that, when completed, will be Africa’s largest.

But as popular protests against the Tigrayan leadership’s rule roiled Ethiopia from 2015, and as the police killed hundreds of protesters, Mr. Debretsion rose in prominence inside the party. Analysts say he was seen as a younger and more moderate figure than those steeped in Tigrayan nationalism who had dominated the party for decades.

The eruption of war changed everything.

Mr. Abiy said he had no choice but to launch military action, after months of escalating political tensions, when Tigrayan forces attacked a military base on Nov. 4.

Mr. Debretsion challenged that account, saying that Ethiopian troops had been massing on Tigray’s borders for days in preparation for an assault. He had advance knowledge of those plans, Mr. Debretsion said, because ethnic Tigrayans accounted for more than 40 percent of senior Ethiopian military officers, and many defected in the early days of the fight.

At first, Tigrayan forces were caught off guard by a barrage of drone strikes against artillery and supply lines that he said were conducted by the United Arab Emirates, an ally of both Mr. Abiy and the leader of Eritrea, Isaias Afwerki.

An Emirates spokesman did not respond to questions about the alleged drone strikes. Mr. Debretsion said they had changed the course of the war.

“Without the drones,” he said, “the fight would have been different.”

An emergency food distribution in Mekelle last week. Aid groups say that vulnerable Tigrayans may starve if Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed’s government doesn’t allow aid deliveries.
Credit…Finbarr O’Reilly for The New York Times

The Tigrayans, buoyed by a huge influx of new recruits, mounted their dramatic comeback just before Ethiopia’s election on June 21.

With the vote canceled in Tigray, Ethiopian forces attacked the T.D.F. at its stronghold in the Tembien mountains, west of Mekelle. The Tigrayans struck back hard, and within days several Ethiopian bases had been overrun and thousands of Ethiopian soldiers were captured.

Mr. Debretsion said he would free most of the Ethiopian prisoners who were marched through Mekelle on Friday, but would continue to detain the Ethiopian officers.

He called on the international community to ensure accountability for the spree of atrocities reportedly committed in Tigray in recent months — massacres, rape, the use of starvation as a weapon of war. Some Tigrayans had also been accused of atrocities during the conflict. But Mr. Debretsion rejected a United Nations-led investigation that is being conducted alongside a rights body linked to the Ethiopian government.

“It’s very clear they are partial,” he said.

He warned that if Mr. Abiy tried to mass forces in regions bordering Tigray again, he would quickly send fighters to intercept them.

In recent days, some Tigrayan leaders have suggested that troops could march on Asmara, Eritrea’s capital, to oust Mr. Afwerki, who harbors a decades-old enmity with them.

Mr. Debretsion sounded a more cautious note. Tigrayan troops would fight to push Eritrean troops over the border, he said, but not necessarily go farther.

“We have to be realistic,” Mr. Debretsion said. “Yes, we would like to remove Isaias. But at the end of the day, Eritreans have to remove him.”
Celebrating in the town of Gijet last week as Tigray Defense Forces soldiers and leaders prepared to leave their mountain hideouts for Mekelle.
Credit…Finbarr O’Reilly for The New York Times

The euphoric mood that gripped Mekelle this past week, with some fighters rushing to be with families and others celebrating in the city’s restaurants and nightclubs, is also a challenge for Mr. Debretsion.

The mood might be deflated in the coming weeks, as shortages of food and fuel hit Mekelle, now isolated on all sides.

Aid groups say that more vulnerable Tigrayans may starve if Mr. Abiy’s government does not allow vital aid deliveries.

Even if the conflict ends soon, Mr. Debretsion said, Tigray’s future as part of Ethiopia is in doubt. “The trust has broken completely,” he said. “If they don’t want us, why should we stay?”

Still, he added, nothing has been decided: “It depends on the politics at the center.”


  1. It is sad and painful that 18.000 Ethiopian mothers get their sons back in a coffin. And probably also a lot of Tigrayen and Eritrean mothers as well. And in the end nothing will change for the common people. But dead soldiers dont come back

  2. The politics at the center must NOT decided the future of whether Tigray should remain part of Ethiopia or not!
    Only we, THE PEOPLE of Tigray with the leadership of Mr. Debretsion, must decide! We have no doubt that Mr. Debretsion is our choice as leader of the upcoming Free/Independent Tigray!
    We can’t even begin to imagine Tigray as part of those who have strived hard to destroy us without pity, to mathematically erase us from the face of the earth!
    Considering that we Tigreans, are the True, the First, the Real Ethiopians, puts a big question to whether we should consider to stay a state within the country. However, serious thinking after the eight months of hatred filled atrocities purported throughout Tigray, atrocities of obvious genocidal agenda, countlessly well documented atrocities by well-known international sources, make it impossible to ever consider it.
    I considered them by brothers/sisters without a second thought & I believed they thought the same of us! Never would I’ve imagined what happened to Tigray since November 4, 2020!
    I lost 7 (seven) members of my family! All innocent civilians, unarmed, country folks, very peaceful peasants who never even saw a gun let alone use one!
    The murdered children!
    The starved children!
    The raped women!
    The murdered young men/women simply because they were ‘Tigreans’!
    The endless list of names of the innocent dead Tigreans!
    Young & Old, Men & Women, Children, Babies, Priests, Nuns, Sick, Blind, Deaf, Handicapped, Students, Teachers, Reporters, Doctors, Nurses, Farmers, Peasants and so on, murdered without a reason, all innocent unarmed people…! Why? Because they were Tegaru! Why? Because Abiy Ahmed who was honored with the Nobel Prize ordered it! Can he ever justify the massacres?
    My husband and I were in Gul’a & Adigrat near Irob from the end of November through the first week of December 2019 & saw some Eritrean soldiers walking about. Perplexed, we asked & wondered why they were in Tigray. One of the Catholic nuns accompanying us said:
    “Abiy Intay hem lihasebelna yefeleTnay” – “‘lla ferahna ina ninebbir lellena”
    Meaning, “we don’t know what Abiy Ahmed is planning for us – we live in fear” – clearly on 11/04/2020 we no longer wondered.
    While we very much appreciate your concise reporting Mr. Declan Walsh, we continue to hope and pray that Tigray will soon be free and independent. We haven’t heard from our loved ones since the 27th & we are very concerned, but we still hope and we pray that it will be all over soon with the help of the International Community.
    We also demand without equivocation that Abiy Ahmed be stripped of the Nobel Prize lest a new one be made in honor and memory of Hitler. One genocider to another!.. What’s the difference?
    GOD bless you Mr. Declan. We Tegaru appreciate & want only the truth!

  3. Eritrea hub has been avoice for the truth for last 8 months consistently. While we saw in the globe avoices like it,the international community watch all the violence of every corner,then justice come against the intension of transgressors.
    Thanks alot

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